Heavy machinegun fire echoed across the huge rubbish dump that marks the entrance to Nasiriya. Finally, they would turn west and secure the third bridge, also over the canal. of the commission of atrocities on the part of American forces during the Vietnam I jumped out from the rear hatch of our vehicle, briefly taking cover behind a wall. Given the stigma attached to rape, especially decades ago, and the added stigma attached to male rape victims, its shocking that the case ever became public, no less that it went to trial in a military court, or that the victim gave clear, graphic, painful testimony. The extracts are taken from La Franche-Indochine and deal with the hearing of June 12th: Lieutenant Lemoanne: I received the orders of Commandant Lambert to kill all prisoners. I doubt that many armies in history could match that record. Four Hours in My Lai. Photographs, and visual media generally, play an especially important role in this process of shaping collective memory of an event. Instead, the pervasive Get in there now and pull them out," shouted a gunner in a state verging on hysterical. Hints about the harassment or sexual assault of American womennurses, enlisted women, and so-called Donut Dolliesalso rarely make it into the histories. their fists, sticks and boards and employed a form of water torture which impaired In a flash, the three tore off his bed sheets and flipped him onto his stomach. We cant know for sure because well never know the whole truth of sexual assault in Vietnam. Mr. Kerrey's admission was prompted by a lengthy New York Times Magazine story by Gregory Vistica that went farther than the charge that civilians died during this action. Four prisoners captured in a Viet Cong tunnel complex wait for transfer to a prisoner-of-war camp. writing his dissertation on U.S. war crimes and atrocities during the Vietnam in times of war especially in vietnam these people are armed with countless available victims coupled with a feeling of no law or infact being the law attrocites will occur. The fact is that anyone who has been in combat understands the thin line between permissible acts and atrocity. Remember the Vietnamese main characters in Apocalypse Now? Instead of simply pulling out OR investing enough money to finish the job, we decided in both V and I to take the half-assed middleroad, investing enough money just to prevent the place from collapsing, but not enough to win the war. Tucked away in his breast pocket, thick wads of banknotes were turning to ashes. The pregnant wife of the village chief was vaginally impailed, by VC Commissars, and left to die over several hours. 1967. Blown-up tyres, a pool of blood, spent ammunition and shards of glass from the bulletridden windscreen marked the spot where the ambush had taken place. The massacre and subsequent trial elicited a wide array of reaction. Hamburger Hill? He had previously given the impression that he had killed many people there, whereas in actuality, despite extensive combat experience, he could not be certain he had killed anyone." And that includes all of your various personalities. Some rationalised it. Belknap, Michael R. The Vietnam War on Trial: The My Lai Massacre and the Court-Martial of Lieutenant Calley. Quang Nai Province. It really did, look up the numbers. They are even using women as scouts. It has always amazed me how many people want to claim to have served in such an unpopular war. The record of this carnage is extensively documented. Torturing suspected Viet Cong, he recalled, was routine. Your gift, and all online donations up $94,000 total, will be matched and go twice as farbut only until the November 9 deadline. Its a tragedy, but it is predictable. We all bear it. . It's hard at times to get a meaningful discourse when so many are so inexperienced in the subject. Hersh, Seymour. After all, there is nothing more natural than having sex and defecating, and we have managed to have some control over where and when we do those things, why not war, which is not nearly as much fun? However, to date, no democracy has ever gone to war against another democracy. on active duty at the time that the allegations were investigated by Army officials. If this allegation is true, what happened that night in the Mekong Delta village of Thanh Phong was more than a terrible tragedy of war--it was a war crime. War isn't for the faint of heart. Did you see his leg? third reason is the visible tip of the iceberg that we can see. Maybe even on your street. It is you that gives the "typical" trite response. "We don't know who is shooting at us. Engaged in a war that many viewed as having . The men of the "Tiger Force" shock by means of a field telephone," an all too commonly used method of that eighteen U.S. soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault This is crap, pure and simply. And, my final Crazy Bigot question of the day: How many history professors does it take to change a light bulb? Gard in January I had friends in the 101st, and it was definitely not happening then. Powerful explosions came from inside the bowels of the tank as its ammunition and heavy shells were set off by the fire. There was relief when we finally crossed the second bridge to the northeast of the city in mid-afternoon. Company C, 1st Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 11th Brigade of the 23rd Infantry (Americal) Division conducted an operation in an area containing the village of M Lai on 16 March 1968. other relatively well known atrocity incidents: former Senator, presidential Many had never even been in the service. After the Vietnamese defeat of French colonialism in 1954, the Geneva Conference . They all add up to make our independent journalism possible. The order was given to fire. People taken prisoner by the ARVN wait for a helicopter to transfer them to a release point. doesn't even hint at the scope and number of similar criminal acts. Soldiers load into a Chinook helicopter as they prepare to be airlifted to their next position. Using guerrilla tactics, the Vietnamese drove the French out of the North of Vietnam and finally defeated them in the battle of Dien Bien Phu. Climbing on this bandwagon likely is a sure way for an academic researcher and writer to gain popularity and acclaim from many of his colleagues. i fear iraq may be viewed in a simalar light in years to come, I certainly hope people take these comments seriously. "outside of the 'Sunni triangle', there seems to be relative peace and tranquility" hahahahahaha! July 1970. All had been trying to leave this southern town overnight, probably for fear of being killed by US helicopter attacks and heavy artillery. As a number of people have pointed out, the permanent frustrations of operating in a general context where occupying troops are resented, hated by a civilian population is what creates the conditions under which the kinds of crimes Turse chronicles take place, or even become part of the routine. "Vietnam War Crimes Working Group.". The excellent investigative reporting of the Toledo Blade is to be commended In the August 30 TNR Online, historian John Prados writes regarding the WSI atrocity accounts that a handful of individual stories may have been called into question, but the main thrust of the [WSI] testimonies--that American atrocities were widespread in Vietnam--is today beyond dispute. They leaned on him to hold him down as he thrashed and bucked, while they ripped off his underwear. It really gets to me to see children being killed like this, but we had no choice." The French Indochina War in Vietnam 1.0. During an Army criminal investigation of the incident, men in Bumgarner's unit His savings, perhaps. In this regard, I would expect that a person of Turse's education and credentials must be aware of the manner in which the rules of evidence influenced the ability of military commanders and prosecutors to successfully bring an accused person to trial and, when brought to trial, to gain a conviction. It just isnt the sort of knowledge thats easy to come by. So if you agree that in-depth, fiercely independent journalism matters right now, please support our work and help us raise the money it takes to keep Mother Jones charging hard. I can tell you from experience that if you read a few dozen of the best of them, you can get a fairly good idea about what that war was really like. There was much less resistance to France in Cambodia and Laos. The truth is, you actually can know a lot about war without fighting in one. They had been travelling with some 10 other civilians, mainly women and children who were evacuated, crying, their clothes splattered in blood. Fires were raging on either side of the road; Cobras had destroyed an Iraqi military truck and a T55 tank positioned inside a dugout. Read the News, Read this Brody, Steve-O or whatever your name is, if you intend to keep distorting the record, expect to get called on it. WAR CRIMES. More often than not, the show case veteran who cried on camera about his dead buddies, about committing or witnessing atrocities, or about some heroic action in combat that led him to the current dead end in his life, was an impostor. Another reason for my suspicion is the unprecedented exclusion of journalists from the active collection of news: I am impressed that the Boston Globe, the Associated Press, and 30 other news-gathering organizations have protested, in writing, the "harassment"--their word--of their reporters by the American military authorities in Iraq. I read about this, Mike, and what was clear is that most of the reporters harassed were approaching and filming US soldiers immediately after Guerrilla attacks. Since the logistics tail of US forces is fairly large, only about twenty-five percent, 750,000, served in combat units. Santayana, paraphrasing Plato, contradicting Wilson's "War to end all wars": "Only the dead have seen the end of war". I must take issues with the democracy vs democracy point. But it killed several million Vietnamese and severely affectedand I mean severelythe lives of many millions more. Next time don't play! The response of the intellectual left to Russia's war against Ukraine has largely involved blaming NATO, an aversion to any kind of military involvement, and generic calls to pacifism. Pokorney was hit in the chest by an RPG. 2020by Joseph Malek. By drawing on testimonies gathered in rural Vietnam, this article focuses on the violence to which local inhabitants were subjected when Vietnam was under French rule (1883-1954). Over the course of 1970, numerous veterans stepped forward to testify to war crimes they witnessed or participated in. These Vietnam War photos are a key part of understanding soldiers' experiences during the conflict and provide insight into operational specifics that were unknown to the press. The liink is here: http://www.humanrightswatch.org/press/2003/10/iraq102103.htm The report and other things I read on their site seems pretty balanced to me. He led a Marine infantry platoon in Vietnam in 1968-69. Again, not offering this as proof of such atrocities occurring now--there's no proof of that here-- but rather as evidence that people watching the situation up close--inside and outside the military--sound like they're expecting it. University Press of Kansas, 2013. Jeff Albertson Photograph Collection (PH 57). Subscribe to the Mother Jones Daily to have our top stories delivered directly to your inbox. In the end, of those charged, all but one -- Lt. William Calley -- were acquitted or had the charges against them dropped. to U.S.-perpetrated war crimes in Vietnam. for only $16.05 $11/page. Of course, as anyone who has read my articles knows, there is no controversy about this point. Some marines reached for their disposable cameras. This Frenchwoman does not look like she is suffering, nor the ones in the background. prisoners' ability to breath. Their mistake had been to flee over a bridge that is crucial to the coalition's supply lines and to run into a group of shell-shocked young American marines with orders to shoot anything that moved. :). Our standing in the world is affected by such charges, and I for one do not want to see my country having a reputation as being a bunch of hippocrites, going after war criminals in other parts of the world and then giving war criminals in our country accepted status. But thats just what happened on that August 31st at a US base in Vietnams far south, when three GIs attacked a fellow American, a fellow soldier. First published May 12, 2022. But unchecked, thumos can engender rage and frenzy. "I am starting to hate this country. to dereliction of duty. About the military? May 1970. Russell Tribunal (International War Crimes Tribunal - 1967). About war? Marianne, I've read the report and agree that the soldiers could do things better. One of the dead was Second Lieutenant Fred Pokorney, 31, a marine artillery officer from Washington state. No, I am not talking about Israel, but Sudan. Jeff Albertson Photograph Collection (PH 57). Any discussion of war crimes during the Vietnam War requires a look at this court ruling from 1955. Instead, crawl into a hole! The Ap Loc incident I referred to above involved communists as persecutors, and animists as victims. Vietnam War crime by any newspaper, during or since the end of the conflict. I would add a fourth reasonthe passing down of a story from soldier to soldier. a mass of young,afraid and angry men, many of which were using drugs, punted into an alien land with alien people. The marines would speed unhindered over the 130 miles of desert up from the Kuwaiti border and approach Nasiriya from the southeast to secure a bridge over the Euphrates. History shows that it takes time for these reports to appear, but appear they do. "The Bummer" then arranged I increasing appreciate your take on things, though our core beliefs may at times diverge somewhat. "We shouldn't be here," said Lieutenant Campbell Kane, 25, who was born in Northern Ireland. Swiftly, our AAVs (23-ton amphibious assault vehicles) took up defensive positions. "The absence of detailed research on NVA/VC atrocities during and after the war is one of the great black holes in modern Vietnamese historiography." I walked up to the lorry, but could find no trace of a weapon. Maybe I am blinded by love of country, Patriotism. Covered in the mud from the violent storms, they were drained and dangerously aggressive. These are often the same guys who wont tell you the truths that they know about war and who never think to blame themselves in any way for our collective ignorance. He and others of like mind coordinated to develop the International War Crimes Tribunal, which was conducted in 1967 in Stockholm, Sweden and Roskilde, Denmark. Force" war crimes in which one unit allegedly engaged in an orgy of murder, (God, how I wish we could roll back to 1900 and do the whole damned century over again.) everyday affair for American combat soldiers in Vietnam, however, such acts The assailants used . Only after the publication of Seymour Hersh's seminal article did the Army truly begin to investigate. Additionally, there is no evidence that atrocities were a matter of policy, as suggested in this September 1970 VVAW flyer issued in conjunction with one of its stunts: "We are going in, we are going in," shouted one of the officers. Explore The Economist's archive. kept a secret, Bowers, Pyclik and Gasper apparently escaped any prosecution, War. Slander, or when a footnote becomes a dissertation. Failing to heed any of this advice, whatever you do, dont try and shoot it out with the soldiers. What meaning did this hold for war crimes committed more than 10 years later in Vietnam? The (anti-war) psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton wrote of a veteran who, after some time in group therapy, could "confess that he had been much less violent in Vietnam than he had implied. An older marine walked by carrying a huge chunk of flesh, so maimed it was impossible to tell which body part it was. He was, however, sentenced to Olson, James S. and Randy Roberts. Thanh Dien. It is the role of leadership, which provides strategic context for killing and enforces discipline, to prevent this outcome. It was blown off." Hagopian, Patrick. The Disturbing Story Of The Mokomokai Heads Of The Maori Tribesmen, Madagascans Are Dancing With Corpses And It's Probably Spreading The Black Plague, What Stephen Hawking Thinks Threatens Humankind The Most, 27 Raw Images Of When Punk Ruled New York, Join The All That's Interesting Weekly Dispatch. We know his story because the court martial records of one of his assailants, who was found guilty of and sentenced to prison time, made it to the National Archives where I found the document. Jump into Hell is one of the first films to deal with the ongoing conflict in Vietnam or, as it was still known in 1955, French IndoChina. who says: "We are one stressed-out reservist away from a massacre." In 1874 Tu Duc made more territorial concessions and finally in 1882 the French fleet capture Hanoi. Lanes book was panned by James Reston, Jr. and Neil Sheehan, not exactly known as supporters of the Vietnam War. Thats suffering beyond the capacity of even our ablest writers to capture in a single book. In this image, an American soldier carries out these orders with a flame thrower. Later, we shared a bumpy ride across the desert in the back of a Humvee. November 1968. I can tell you that, in 1969, it felt pretty damned cut off out there. Luckily for them, most veterans have been willing to obligekeeping the darkest secrets of that war hidden (even while complaining that no one can really know what they went through). The most well-known of these was the unofficial investigation known as the Winter Soldier Investigation. His defenders claim that he was telling the truthatrocities did take place in Vietnam. They had expected a welcome, or at least a swift surrender. Those that did cooperate never provided details of actual crimes to investigators. When cars were spotted speeding along two roads, frantic calls were made over the radio to get permission to "kill the vehicles". Inside, four men were killed. Soldiers take cover behind a line of shrubbery as helicopters fly overhead. Supreme Court. In the wake of the public realization of the. unvarnished truth about the war in Vietnam. The men involved in wartime sex crimesin raping Vietnamese women, in sodomizing them, in violating them with bottles and rifle muzzles, in sexually assaulting American women, in raping American menhave mostly remained silent about it. We must be able to trust the military to wield violence with purpose and responsibility. So indeed, the second attempt to defend Kerry is now in play. North Viet Nam's heavily populated cities were never even bombed. I'll just kill him." Americans who tromped, humped, and slogged through Vietnam on one-year tours of duty are invariably the focus of those histories, while Vietnamese who endured a decade or even decades of war remain, at best, in the background or almost totally missing. So it is reasonable to suppose that it is still going on. But the trick here, most on display in Peter Beinarts Apocalypse Redux in the September 6 issue of The New Republic, is to suggest that that those who criticize Kerry are somehow denying that atrocities occurred in Vietnam at all. You know that Human rights organizations operate in Iraq and if there were anything like what was going on with the Tiger Force, those organizations would be screaming from the rooftops. at the National Archives" facts of dubious value that obscure the But if so, he should have chosen his words more carefully. Some had caught fire and turned into piles of black twisted metal. As I walked away, Lieutenant Matt Martin, whose third child, Isabella, was born while he was on board ship en route to the Gulf, appeared beside me. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-628258,00.html The Times (London) March 30 2003 US Marines turn fire on civilians at the bridge of death Mark Franchetti, Nasiriya THE light was a strange yellowy grey and the wind was coming up, the beginnings of a sandstorm. From American histories, you would think the primary feature of the Vietnam War was combat. The inquiry found that, in addition to using "electrical American soldiers raped thousands of women in China, Japan, Germany, Italy, France, and the UK, yet no one even discusses these crimes. Vietnam Awakening: My Journey from Combat to the Citizens' Commission of Inquiry on U.S. War Crimes in Vietnam. He toured barracks. Brodywatcher, Steve-o, Read the News or whatever name youre now using, Im not inclined to educate someone like you, who is to lazy to read the newspaper and to dishonest to accurately summarize it when you do. Hundreds of French women reported being raped by American soldiers during the country's liberation from German occupation. McFarland & Company, 2007. There is no virtue. Spending that much blood and treasure on a marginal issue was foolish of the U.S. Let's not forget who the aggressors were, or what they did after the "people's" victory. However, there are some similarities between Vietnam and Iraq that I see: 1) The American people overwhelmingly supported Vietnam (V) and Iraq (I) at the start of the war. Steve, In fact, Human Rights Watch published a report critical of the coalition command for not counting the civilian casualties that have occurred in Baghdad. the Americal Division's men committed their war crimes. that its "review of thousands of classified Army documents, National Archives And the [lieutenant] said to kill her." These, as you point up, collapsed when attacked due to their leader's corruption and the troops own lack of commitment, interest and will. only the tip of a vast submerged history of atrocities in Vietnam. are labeled as "Rogue GIs" and the authors simply mention the that Each wounded marine had a tag describing his injury. Now, what does this have to do with beheading Vietnamese children, anyway? In the course of trying to raise money for a Texas Vietnam Veterans Memorial, Burkett discovered that reporters were only interested in homeless veterans and drug abuse and that the corporate leaders he approached had bought into the popular image of Vietnam veterans. 1973, it was noted that the "determination by commanders to take no One room had a map of Nasiriya, showing its defences and two large cardboard arrows indicating the US plan of attack to take the two main bridges. (Americal). murder were preferred against him. On the bridge itself a dead Iraqi civilian lay next to the carcass of a donkey. The debate turns, it seems to me, on Prados assertion that it is today beyond dispute that American atrocities were widespread in Vietnam. Again I stipulate that they did occur. Martin's, 1998. The lorry swerved off the road and into a ditch. A French volunte e r Adrien Boquet told in an interview with French media about the war crimes committed by the Nazi militants of the Azov regimen in Ukraine. Lewy's primary evidence consists of noting that VVAW members refused to give depositions. Sign up for the free Mother Jones Daily newsletter and follow the news that matters. I also oppose this current war with Iraq. We all need to hear it. how do you know he is not? Context like this helps to explain how such events could happen. But that little episode has always made me wonder how many of the stories have been recycled and how many account of atrocities are based on what veterans heard as opposed to committed or witnessed. Indeed, it is my conviction that probably I was permitted by our Lord to survive an ordinarily killing wound in part because during my two tours in 'Nam during which I was nearly daily, flying Aero-Scout missions (even when troop Ops officer & X.O. War, I have been immersed in just the sort of archival materials the Toledo Date unspecified. somebody stated it eloquently above, why not write the history of the world on the back of a napkin. Thomas, Your points about democracies going to war were well taken.
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